Nina Dvorzhetskaya more than 30 years works in the Russian youth theater. With movie many years the relationship has not evolved, but in 2013 came the “Thaw” Valery Todorovsky, and many have opened for themselves a shining actress. Her partner was Mikhail Efremov. In our conversation we could not avoid the subject, and talked about how ended the school year in acting school, what will life in the theater, which is about to be 100 years old, like to go on stage, taking into account social distance and why it is impossible to be in a movie for streaming platforms.
have You ever been with Todorovsky familiar? How it came?
We were familiar nodding, almost as peers. When there was the Soviet power, we all hung around the House and in the old movie, haven’t burnt the house of the actor doing from year to year the skits. Everything was familiar: Sergei Garmash, Vasya Mishchenko, Bear Efremov, Valeriy Todorovsky, Sergei Shkalikov, Lena Mayorova, Andrey Smolyakov. In any case, knew each other in person. Why Valera called me in the Thaw, I do not know. I long refused, because it was scary, fooling his casting Directors. Afraid to hear “No.” In General, a coward with terrible force, and the sample was already over, and almost a week later and started the filming process. I protested, until it became already indecent. My agents said, “you think your leg is lame, a headache that is assigned to an exam or rehearsal. All it is clear that you are lying”. I went from absolute hopelessness, just to be polite.
— How did it go?
I came all so beautiful, the mother-of-pearl. I washed, clocked. Valera was not at the trial. He worked on the script. Before leaving, asked that I called, not tormented, just told the truth. Did not want to live in a terrible suspense. Still Todorovski — not a pound of raisins. In the evening they called me and said, “You are approved”.
— When the accident occurred with the participation of Michael Ephraim, I revised the program of Yuri Dude where Michael told me about you and Yevgeny Dvorzhetsky, cited the example of your love story as one of the most impressive. You looked?
— my son showed this piece where Mike talking about us. He is my old friend. We gently treat each other. I know what it is and what it is. For anybody it was no secret. There was a Misha, what we took, and talk about the fact that he’s a drunk, it talks. Wonderful post was written by Andrey Orlov (Orlusha) in Facebook. All that is written there, really. This is one side of the issue. And the other side of the issue is that I don’t exist in social media, do not publish, only use messenger when it is necessary to send a message or talk to my American friend.
But now my hands are itching. Not tha��Yu which word to use. I want to smack her cheeks, Unscrew the head, spit in the face to those who continue to kick, throw stones, write nasty things and participate in the persecution. All of them want to say “Shut up!”. There was a terrible tragedy. This is a terrible grief for the family of the deceased. And all that is happening around, ugly and disgusting. Worst of all now Misha. What else to say. I love it. How to help him? There are people who are willing to shoulder. I too went and did it. Just need now a lot of the shoulders.
— What was he like on the set of “Thaw”?
— He’s a brilliant artist, a talented man, kind-hearted man. It is believed that the children of artists, musicians, and artists nature rests. So no one in this case is not resting. I worked with him perfectly. He is witty, storyteller, creates together with partner and Director. No individual farmer, not selfish in the profession.
— Some believe that the “Thaw”, he played partly yourself?
‘ Oh, no! Bear — artist. He just played that hero. He is alive, real, no lie. In the “Thaw” did not have prototypes. I know that some of them were trying to find perhaps this is the operator found there? My character is also perceived as a brilliant employee of “Mosfilm”, which cussed. But it’s not. I would say that this is our “Amarcord”: these people were — and not to forget about them. But it’s hodgepodge. No need to look for direct Parallels. Mike played the friend of my heroine, and they have, according to the scenario, eight joint paintings. And whether in his role as something autobiographical, it is necessary to have Misha to ask.
He’s spouting actor? Did not offer to get freaky, to do something on the site?
— He’s a living artist and inventor, but gushing I would not have called. He was very involved in the process, he was interested. We are — professionals. What is weird is when I must shoot a certain amount of material, know the text. We do the job either fun, in a good mood, or it’s hard for us — and that is not glued. To “Thaw” it happened that laugh, rasalama, but it’s situational. We laughed when we were shooting the scene in the car where the hero Misha was completely drunk when he was brought to the site. Funny! Misha is well done, being absolutely sober. Then he went straight for a hug, got it. But this scenario, a clear framework.
We are with him in life were friends, but only starred together in “the Thaw” where he was great as a partner and comrade, as a member of the crew. We didn’t spend all the time together. Misha is a busy man: was here, worked and left. He had also other projects.
— the “Thaw” many of you have discovered. And you think this picture to yourself the turning point?
— Valery Todorovsky is able to open artists to do this, some sort of ex. I was hoping that after the “Thaw” something will happen. Me a lot offer, but it is awful. After Todorovsky many of the actors starts a new story, but I’m very picky. I have no purpose — certainly to star in a movie. I am very attentive to the script. Refuse incredible number of proposals. Now the new fashion of the Internet platform. It’s generally good. No other word. The horror!
— what is horror?
— Movie shooting for Internet — absolutely needful undemanding viewer: mate-peremat, all that we see in the yard, about the supposedly simple kind of life. Don’t want to participate in such projects. It is below my human and professional dignity. But by refusing, at least I can say: “do you ever read what you wrote? Are you not ashamed?”
But not only the one-day stuff done?
— I love Vera Storozheva. Wherever it me or called, even on a tiny episode, will and going to work. In her film “Rent house with all inconveniences” I did a movie with her without trial. And when I’m in “the Field” was filmed, also samples as such was not. I like the movie, and my job. Not that I refuse, no. I drive a standard, but somewhere not suitable. Myself, as a professional, I understand that some material isn’t mine. For example, I know that I will not organic in the role of rural grandmothers and aunties. Will not work. Not my thing.
— do you think so? Freundlich played?
— She is my hero. I saw “Carp frostbitten” and I think that my favorite, brilliant Alice Brunovna — not a village woman. This is my point of view. Someone will disagree with it. I myself know that this is not true. Why then? I have shot with the “Thaw” was. I haven’t done half of his life in the movie, now that, to catch up on? It’s not for me with my sense of self-irony.
— You mentioned the movie House, and I remembered how he wrote for the film magazine text about Dvorzhetsky dynasty: Wenceslas, Vladislav, Eugene, and Eugene Dvorzhetsky invited for an interview, and the doorman would not let us. Jack was not a member of the Union of cinematographers, but he was a recognizable actor. I think forgetting him. Quite unfairly. Artists are quickly forgotten, right?
Yes, and unfortunately, it is natural. Jack went so young. Not much else was done. If not then the accident occurred (39-year-old Yevgeny Dvorzhetsky died December 1, 1999, when his car collided with a truck. — Approx. ed.), now it would be filmed from movie to movie, and TV would work. So it seems to me.
“Pull ends with the issuance of student ID”
In Ramtha you work for 35 years? Didn’t feel like running? Changes sometimes helpthere exists a creative breakthrough.
— But where to go? You can call, which is better? I came to our theater in 1986. Trust our artistic Director Alexey Borodin. I am well under his wing. We have, of course, is not the ideal relationship, not Paradise, but I didn’t think about having to go to another theater. Why, when in the first place the man is extremely intelligent, educated, master of his craft?
— used to say: theatre is home. Ramtha is one of the few where still alive this concept?
— I this phrase is never used, because I am opposed to the theatre was the house. The theater is the place where I work, and my house is a different concept. But the fact that our theatre is one of the few — I’m OK, it’s a fact.
Hard adult actress in the youth theatre?
— All depends on the case, the opinion of the Director and repertoire policy. I don’t know why, for some harm must have refused to participate in “Coast of utopia”, and then for ten years nothing new was playing. But put as the Director of the play “My grandson Benjamin” in “the Black room”.
Ten years with no roles! That’s harsh.
— But even then I taught at the Theatre Institute. Shchukin, continued to play a repertoire that was occupied, acted in films more often than before. The lack of theatrical roles were balanced in this way. I don’t suffer. I had a normal life: family, children, Institute, where the same children and are responsible.
— What time was the happiest?
— It’s all happy. You cannot offend God. This is my credo. I now well. It was interesting to produce “King Lear”, and “Between heaven and earth the lark winds”, “Bath”. We were young, and I haven’t become cynical. Now I know acting from the inside and something magical tell their students. You know how beautiful it was and how insidious. Much of it depends on the case circumstances, the position of the stars.
the 100th anniversary of the theater mark the celebration?
— Planned, but because of the pandemic, much goes awry. We hope that we will come to work August 1, but what happens — nobody knows. Had plans to return to the performances of the Central children’s theatre, as was once called Ramtha, but I’m not privy to the details. I’m not Borodin, not Yegor Peregudov, not Sofia Apfelbaum, don’t run the theater. Great comes up with the CPS, as the audience sit in the hall. In the picture it looks nice. But we ask the question: “did they ever in the theater was?” Viewers can sit anywhere — even in chess, although in checkers order. We are going to work? Othello strangles Desdemona on social distance? Don’t know how ��to epatirovat in the mask.
— What did you do during the quarantine?
— First we were in Moscow, and then went out of town, thank God, is where. I participated in the project “Help the doctors”, where he read letters from doctors. Ksenia Alferova started, and I continued. Gathered his students kept his finger on the pulse of something discussed with them, recommended to watch movies, to read books.
— How did you manage to finish the school year?
— I can’t say that it was extremely difficult. Our guide quickly oriented, and students were not easy. Zoom in lectures, dance exercises were sent via the Internet, do you read, take tests and exams. But my Junior year was unable to pass the skill. We have applications for graduation performances, and rehearse the zoom is impossible. I wasn’t even trying.
— Me about you as a caring teacher told Zoe Kaydanovskaya, whose son is studying in your class.
— I really been doing this long thanks to Alexey Borodin. From 1988/89 year I started to work on his course, which he scored in GITIS. And then we came to the Shchukin school. For some time he worked at both institutions, but it was difficult. Moreover, even in the theater was occupied, from time to time acted in a movie. I pulled her Alma mater, where they planned career prospects. GITIS — the system of workshops, and Shchukin is the artistic Director and all the acting Department teaches each course.
do you have Many young children? The rector of one University creative, every year before the entrance exams change mobile phone number because the filmmakers asked for their offspring, relatives, acquaintances.
— It can be understood. But I just. I have no conscience, because I have two children and I knew that if they choose this road, I will ask for them. From the very beginning said to them: if you decide to go into acting, you will be the thieves. Just pull the ends with the issuance of a student card. Next have to defend his name, dignity, opportunity, talent. On the stage they exit. My son Mike is studying at VGIK operator Igor Klebanov, graduated from the third year. He will shoot a movie, I am not for him. That ended the whole pull. To me it is really funny to hear. Today was talking with a friend whose child goes, and remembered the great Vera Konstantinovna Lviv — a direct student of Vakhtangov. I was lucky enough to learn from her. She taught and was a teacher in our class. She always said that our children are our cross and we need for them to do their best. If we can learn, so learn. This is my view. I have learn son Zoe Kaidanovskii, LeSha Slavkin, daughter of people’s artist and my classmate Svetlana Ryabova, other children, did not come from Khabarovsk. Of course it is hard but I’m trying to do everything that they learn. Sometimes forced to tell a parent if it’s close people: sorry, but can only take on paid training. Advise them to talk to the baby, so he didn’t arrive. Usually, it is useless.
Shukshina But the boots are still here?
— Sure, come. On my previous course studied Sergei Sacerdoti from Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk. He starred in “the Slave”, “the Stepfather”. Redhead. He said to me: “I love summer to go to village to the grandmother”. “The village close?” — I was interested in. “Yes, close. 500 km,” he said. My favorite student Sasha Gorbatov came from Zaporozhye. He was already an adult, 22 years. Came, flashed his blue eyes. I asked if he had education. “Yeah, I’m a welder,” said he. Coming soon “Gloom-river” with his participation, and now there is “bad weather”, where he played a major role. Sasha in the movie like hot cakes. We are not only acting children learn.
— And their children readying, trying, as an experienced actress, to influence your creative life?
— of Course. They asked me questions, I answer. Mike always shows us their coursework. We honestly Express our opinions. Daughter Anya plays on the stage. We with her together in one performance is a separate entertainment. If she asks questions answer. The Jewish mother under the wing.
— But you’re friends, not a dictator?
— Friends, of course. There is some dictatorship. One 30 years old, the second — 21. The dictatorship has already ended.
Filmmaking will gradually be smooth. You have some projects that stopped with the beginning of the quarantine, and is there any chance to return to them?
— We are waiting for Vera Storozheva. She continues to shoot the second season of “Code” where I have an episode. I’ve already played in the first season, and my character will continue. And aleshki (husband of Nina Dvorzhetsky Aleksey Kolgan. the — sh) also have work in the sequel. I also sent a cute scenario, which I agreed. But the negotiations will start when it becomes clear that we will be able to start work. Someone, say, already takes. We are still waiting.
all Sad, of course.
— Yes not sad. This is interesting. You could imagine that this trick will be around the world? You have to hold out, not to become a whore, not break. You can sprinkle ashes on his head and say, “How awful!”. We all will survive and move on. Life will certainly continue. Let’s make a movie, will come on the scene. Why wait bad? Need to wait good. You think I’m a Sunny optimist? I want everyone to be healthy, both mentally and physically. Although Churchill said that the “Titanic” were all healthy. The thing is, from what point of view.
