In Moscow, in the Manege, an exhibition of works by Salvador Dali and his followers. There “Vesti on Saturday” met with a remarkable Spaniard named Juan Manuel Bonet. He is an art historian with a worldwide reputation. But we asked about the realism of his king.
– Juan, welcome to Moscow!
– so Many people!
– In time to see a foreign masterpiece, I had to look for the album. Today, the Internet all in one click away. But people continue to go to the exhibition. Why?
– to see masterpieces in the original. Because it’s one thing to listen to the concert recordings and quite another to be in the hall in person.
– If you try to say even who is Given, what is it?
Dali is the surrealist, who was able to infiltrate mass culture. If you say “surrealism”, in memory immediately comes to Given. But that’s not true. He’s not the most surrealist. He, like Borges, who, however, later became a reactionary, ate from all the avant-garde. Here you cubism, futurism, and then surrealism. Dali is the person who took the call literally melted in his work all the styles through which he walked. In the end, he has devised some way in which it deforms, transforms the images. He creates surrealist objects, pushing from the real things. He turns everything into a myth, a dream. It creates dreams. He met with Freud. He enters the world of movies, media, everywhere. At the same time he wants to be an outstanding artist. How the masters of antiquity. He wants to be an artist that works with technology writing, as a Vermeer, as velázquez. Here are a couple of pictures where he gives due respect to Vermeer.
– In the good sense of the word, you “float” in all of this. You understand this?
– If you listen to the sighs of those who usually comes to the Dali exhibition, is the people who bmore understand or know?
– I think they are fascinated and happy to join the magic involved in the tale, a dream, created by Dali. Dali takes you to your dreams, in your dreams. Dreams based on the works of the great masters of the past. For example, people once learn the famous Las Meninas of Velazquez, learn the Berm in a self-portrait, scenery the Costa Brava, which he immortalized.
Or landscapes out of my head.
– Yes, of course. He reproduced and fears. Given to was a great writer. And he managed to play very much of his early childhood memories, from his childhood experiences with his father, sister. From able to realize their dreams in their works. In addition, there is clearly something that characterizes the twentieth century. Today, many works are published based on the ideas Given. Take the pop art. At the end of his life he created works in the style of folk and sverhzaryadnogo art. He, like physics, has penetrated everywhere. And he had a very good library.
– I don’t want to talk about politics in this environment, but the motto of this exhibition can be considered that the said Spanish king. He said that relations between Russia and Spain are being strengthened. But this is unthinkable given the current situation in international Affairs. What’s really going on?
– I Think that in recent years, Russia and Spain had a pretty intense connection.
– five Hundred years!
– Yes, five hundred.
no war with each other!
I now come here at the invitation of the Embassy, at the invitation of the Cervantes Institute. And in Russia, so many experts in Cervantes! And what fan of “don Quixote” was Turgenev! Here a study of the works of the great Spaniard, many admire and are loyal fans of “don Quixote”. Here was made one of the best movies about don Quixote that I have seen. The Director was able in the Russian steppes vosto create the spirit of Spain, its beauty and features. I watched this movie in the Cervantes Institute.
– Russian film, which helps to explore and understand the Spanish language.
– Yes, of course. But another one of the artistic consultants of the film was a friend of Dali. His name is Alberto Sanchez. However, he signed Alberto Sola.
– I think another factor is a certain nostalgia that we Europeans are not at the same time, even while the opportunity to talk to each other.
– Yes. By the way, the Alberto, I was talking about, came here to teach the children of war, children of Spanish political refugees, in 1938. He remained here. And he was able to reproduce the province of La Mancha, where the events of Cervantes, in the Russian steppe. And the actor Nikolai Cherkasov, who played don Quixote was able to create one of the best images of the Knight of the Sorrowful countenance. I think that Russia and Spain have a lot in common. We are on opposite edges of Europe, but we had a lot of visits lately.
– We in Europe — the other two Europe.
– Yes. and many prominent Spaniards often came here. For example, Rafael Alberti several times here. And many others. There is nothing to talk about and something to remember
we Recorded and Moscow the organizer — Director of the Faberge Museum, Chairman of the cultural-historical Fund “Link of times” Vladimir Voronchenko.
– Who are all these people?
Muscovites. We did not expect such a flood of visitors.
Crowd – absolutely incredible!
– to Tell you honestly, I’m surprised just as you are. We here in the past year did Frida — we had 5-6 thousand. We thought it was just the end of the world. And now we have 10 of thousands every day, and the flow subsides.
– mostly replicas that you hear, those who understand or those who came for the first time to see it?
– It is always slightly provocative question. Those who come just likely to look. We know from childhood, what is Given.
– I think the “Youth” magazine first published?
– In the Soviet Union in the late 80-ies.
– All trying to understand Dali. Rather, the love of exhibitions is fashion or what? No matter what it is, fashion or not. You don’t need to be picked. If people are going to look at art, that’s great. Nothing better can not be in our pretty difficult times.