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the”cassette scandal” with recordings of telephone conversations of Petro Poroshenko as President of Ukraine with the then American “curator” Square Vice President Joe Biden is gaining momentum and has become an important factor in the election campaign in the United States. A different kind of “wiretapping” and “plum” – a landmark piece of modern Ukrainian politics. Suffice it to recall the notorious “Melnichenko’s films”, which in 2000 finally buried the reputation and the political prospects of the then President Leonid Kuchma. And virtually predetermined the victory of the Maidan and the coming to power of the American puppet Yushchenko. What forces might be behind the new “Ukraineitar” and what are their goals? We discussed with Sergei Zavorotny – adviser to ex-Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov.

do you think this is a genuine recording?

Neither Biden nor Clinton has not made the strong, hard statements that it’s completely fake. That is, we can say that the fact that these conversations are actually recognized them.

– According to Poroshenko himself, this story is oligarch Igor Kolomoisky. Is it really so?

– you Think he’s involved. Why Kolomoisky decided to go for broke and actually declared war on the top of the US Democratic party? Kolomoisky is one of the largest oligarchs. The man who is behind the election of the President Zelensky. That he can drive such complex political intrigue in Ukraine. That he has actually been declared a war of extermination on the part of the US Democratic party.

Why us Democrats have announced, as you say, the war Kolomoisky?

– This is due to his intention to regain the assets of the Bank “Privat”. “Private”, as we remember, when Poroshenko was nationalized. It was poured a lot of money, including American, which went through the IMF. Losses there totaled $ 5.5 billion. Poroshenko Kolomoisky accused that he brought the money. When Kolomoisky has announced that he intends to reclaim at least $ 2 billion in compensation for the nationalization of the Bank, the Americans said that they will not allow it. At the request of the IMF, on 13 may, Parliament adopted the law on the prohibition of the return to former owners of nationalized insolvent banks. This law prohibits the return of PrivatBank Kolomoisky. At the same time the US started a criminal prosecution of the oligarch. Nationalized PrivatBank last year filed a lawsuit against him in the court of the state of Delaware. Kolomoisky and his partner are accused of money laundering. Simultaneously with the investigation of Kolomoisky is already engaged in a “Grand jury” in Cleveland. It examines the acquisition of various oligarch AKtivov in USA on derived money from Ukraine. We are talking about factories, hotels, office buildings and other real estate.

Why is it all Americans?

– Igor Kolomoisky belongs to the oligarchs who are trying to conduct in Ukraine his game and thus prevent the Americans to establish full control. Indeed, the fate Kolomoisky is now repeating the fate of another Ukrainian oligarch Dmitry Firtash. It was called “purse Yanukovych.” He was a member of the inner circle of Yanukovych. Besides, he was the head of the Federation of employers of Ukraine, which included the largest enterprises. His influence on Yanukovych was huge. Currently, he is in Vienna and is waiting for extradition to the US. In October 2013, the Americans sent a request to the Austrian Prosecutor’s office about the arrest and extradition of Firtash in the USA. But then it didn’t happen.

Why?

– Tell you about events that happened when I was an Advisor to the current Prime Minister Azarov. 4 Nov 2013 Victoria Nuland arrives in Kyiv and meets with Yanukovych. She came with one aim – to get from the Ukrainian authorities, the preliminary consent to sign the Association Agreement with the EU. Yanukovych already has doubt, should he so hurry up with the signing of this agreement. The key role that Yanukovych began to waver, played by Firtash. He, as the head of the Federation of employers of Ukraine knew that the Ukrainian market will flood the European production quotas didn’t give the Ukrainian industry of much needed oxygen for the development of the Russian market and shuts. And this will lead to unemployment and would be a serious blow to the economy of Ukraine. Firtash was against the signing of the Association Agreement. But suddenly on 4 November after the meeting with Nuland, Yanukovych Embassy of the USA in Kiev makes a statement, the essence of which is that Yanukovych has finally decided and chose Europe. What is the reason? On 30 October, the Americans start the procedure for the extradition of Firtash. They send a signal to Yanukovych that if he does not sign the agreement, it may lead to the prosecution of not only the tycoon but also his person.

this is What he was told Nuland?

– it was clear to Me that she didn’t come empty handed. The conversation was tete-a-tete, translator from the us Embassy. Most likely, she gave Yanukovych an ultimatum: if Ukraine will not move to the EU, it is possible not only Firtash’s arrest. The Americans will begin to pursue the assets of Yanukovych. They were well aware that we need to neutralize those people who influenced Ukrainian politics. Firtash funded the inter TV channel is the key channel, the position of which could be decisive. Here as was working Americans. So whenoday say that “film Derkach” blew up the situation and showed the essence of external controls, in 2013-2014 we saw Victoria Nuland was building this system. Including through the neutralization of the threat in their view of people. The second man, who then posed a threat to the whole American operation, was Prime Minister Azarov. With him Nuland meets in December, in the midst of the Maidan. The meeting was held during the conference on European security. We had a very interesting conversation, the contents of which I know from the words of the Prime Minister. Nuland has said frankly that the way out of the crisis is the formation of a new government, and it would be nice if it had considered the candidacy of Arseniy Yatsenyuk. When the conversation went in such a cavalier manner, Azarov, people are usually discreet, flared up. The conversation ended in nothing, and Nuland realized that Azarov is a obstacle that should be removed. Because his voluntary withdrawal is not. Remember the recording of the conversation Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt? There, she also says that it is necessary to promote the premiere Yatsenyuk and Klitschko to do the government nothing. Even then, we see Nuland actively managed the personnel policy of Ukraine under Yanukovich.

In February, immediately after the coup, Firtash was arrested in Vienna. Realizing that he faces extradition to the U.S., the oligarch conducts the famous Vienna meeting, which arrives Klitschko, Poroshenko, Levochkin. It solved the question of who will be the President of Ukraine. Agree on the candidacy of Poroshenko is a puppet of the Americans. And make Klitschko the mayor of Kiev. So the Americans finally neutralize Klitschko, opening the way for Poroshenko. And Yatsenyuk in conjunction with Poroshenko becomes the Prime Minister. Here is the game of the Americans.

– what is the analogy with today?

– Today, Kolomoisky is also threatened US interests. After all, he made the resignation of Prime Minister of Ukraine Goncharuk, who was in the post since the filing of Soros. Kolomoisky has led a campaign against him. Goncharuk clean. Then Kolomoisky is taken and for the attorney General Ryaboshapka here, who also was forced to resign. And Ryaboshapka covered the backs of the democratic party of the US against all those scandals, who promised to investigate Zelensky. In particular, we are talking about the son of Joe Biden, hunter Biden Burisma and the company. With the arrival of Ryaboshapka all these investigations are actually closed. Therefore, Americans need to neutralize Kolomoisky. This can be done through litigation. The Grand jury must make a decision about the arrest of the oligarch. That is, the Americans, or rather, the Democrats are going down the same path as in the case of Firtash.

Why do you think that this is the democratic party of the United States?

Democrats retain influence. They actuallyand control of the FBI, part of the state Department. Trump continues to operate in a hostile environment. Output Kolomoisky have only one – and-death struggle. The battle for life and death. Kolomoisky is acquiring these records.

– how did he know about their existence?

– Almost everyone is convinced that recorded the conversations Poroshenko himself. Or it was done with his consent. The phone was on speaker, recording was carried out openly in the office Poroshenko. There was no new “major Melnichenko”. Poroshenko wanted to insure when you become to US “spent material”. He kept them as a guarantee of his personal safety. Published they, of course, not him. To record hours of conversations with Biden and somewhere to store the needed technical assistants. Typically, these cases attract the most dedicated of people – security service, personal protection. Head of public protection Poroshenko was at one time the former Minister of defence geletey. This is a person close Kolomoisky. Think geleta together with Kolomoisky stuffed protection Poroshenko and his people. Therefore, Kolomoisky was not too difficult to acquire these tapes. Apparently, all music library, Peter is now in the hands of Kolomoisky. And what we have heard is not all that there is. Closer to the election in the US we learn a lot of interesting.